MNS Leader Vs Bihar Badshah Debate

I and MNS politician Tushar Lad exchanged some scrap ।I am "Bihar Badshah" in the blog profile॥ Feel free to share your views..both bihari and marathi citizens are welcomed.
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Writing on the wall - India's greats have started coming from small town UP and Bihar nowby Secular India on Mar 05, 2008 10:47 AM Hide repliesThe future of Indian cricket , like that of economy, lies in small towns and bylanes of North India...its the fire in people Ishant Sharma, Rohit Sharma ( currently in Bombay ) , Tanmay Srivastava, Praveen Kumar , RP Singh and Mahendra Singh Dhoni who inspire India to reach greater hieghts. The next Tendulkars and Gavaskars are bred in the bylanes of Meerut, Ranchi , Kanpur and Barielly. Much like the IIT /IAS and IIM toppers are more likely to come from the bylanes of Moradabad and Patna than Turner Road in Bandra or Greater Kailash in Delhi.The reason is two fold 1) they try harder because hard work is the only path to success in a land with few opportunity 2) Much larger population pool 3) history of superior higher education. I also see that most software engineers now come from small towns accross India. India's best and fastest growing cities of Noida and Greater Noida happen to be in UP ! and so also large MNC software companies like Adobe and Oracle.People who use forum to abuse people of these states must realise that the time has changed.
RE:Writing on the wall - India's greats have started coming from small town UP and Bihar nowby Bihar Badshah on Mar 05, 2008 11:01 AMwell said..totally agree..but inspite of venom spread by MNS..Sachin, Kapil and Gavaskar will always be my favourite.they are not a marathi or haraynvi..but an indian asset..hope same thing could have been said for Mr Raj Thackrey and Mr Tushar Lad.

by Tushar Lad on Mar 05, 2008 11:30 AMI agree with u...and problem of regionalisum..but y dont ppl undstand the presence and real cluture of mumbai and y they want to make it bihari cluture...I m not against any state I m against the mind set of ppl who dont want to respect the land where they are earning....Your bihari neta go to south and do chat pujja.. ???

by Bihar Badshah on Mar 05, 2008 11:45 AMDear Tushar Ji, it is my great surprise to talk with a MNS politician...i too aspire to become one for my state of bihar..I have one question, I totally agree that immigrants from outside should respect local culture and based on whatever time they get from their rozi-roti should learn marathi and blend with local folks..but the way u say...u ppl, bihari culture smells as bit arogance and as if you mean to say the very bihari means something low and untouchables....if you are talking abt labor class vs urban class then that is diff debate but branding every resident from bihar as ur bihari culture..sounds arrogant..Being Hindu regional party how it is not acceptable for you to pray SUN GOD....Chath is nothing but praying to SUN god, we also pray Ganesh and millions of other Hindu god so how cum within Hindu some god become Bihari and some Marathi...Secondly am I suppose to not practice my believes in my own country or where I choose to stay..is that un-lawful or un-constitutional..If you are talking about some parties and their conduct I will not say anything as you have full right to fight any elements which comes into your home and tries to make you look alien, but as an indian it can not be tolerated that you brand all resident of some state as part of the political party you are fighting and say ur culture..etc cannot be practiced....I am just debating here...
by Tushar Lad on Mar 05, 2008 12:01 PMMNS is not against any GOD it is against the ppl specialy Bihari politicians who want to enter in to the mumbai politics with dada giri, MNS is against the way chaat pujja is celebrated by one of the Bihari leader, who said he can get a sticks out of flags for Marathi ppl...do u think is this a way to respect the maharstrian in mumbai....and what ever is happen after that is a out come of this dadagiri done by bihari neta...and every protest involve violence cause now a days our gov is follwing same way of british to shut the mouths of nonviolennt protesters with the use of army and BSF and police....GOV is using there power to shut the mouth of protesters. thats Y violence is a outcome of that.....because this gov need a bang ..cause they cant here the sound of non violence protester.
by Bihar Badshah on Mar 05, 2008 12:12 PMIf things like that had been said it is very bad and all the like minded Bihari people feel sorry for politicing the pious Chath...May I request who that politician is? There may be factual error if you are talking about Mr Abu Azmi or Mulayam Singh...As far as the railway minsiter current statement was concerned that wa smade after the exodus started happening..I am not sure if you are talking abt Sanjay Nirupam..he was by way from your own parent party to begin with and has been maharastra resident for years..so he should be treated as one of urs..anyway people of bihar totally distance themselves from politicing of our pious Chath....but then MNS should have talked with CM of Bihar and UP to ask their residents who are in mumbai to concentrate on work and culture and not become tool for politics..that communication did not happen instead you guys started beating the lowest section of the society..who cannot fight....financially or via media...You have no problem when a gujrati celebrates big big dandiya nights....or millions of south indians celebrating their festivals...If MNS was really fighting for a genuine cause and wanted national support they should have requested 20 million plus pop of UP/Bihar currenlty in mumbai to separate culture programs from Politics and we all would have then supported ..but definitely not the way it was done...beating the poorest of poor...who are easy targets....

by Bihar Badshah on Mar 05, 2008 11:52 AMAlso Sir the section of people that come to metros are mostly Labor class people, how can you expect them to behave as an urban people..educate them don't beat them...a marathi villager will also have rural ettiquette when he comes to mumbai....and all those folks from UP and Bihar came to mumbai because the financial capital of india had certain jobs and position to be filled to run the economic engine, which was not been able to fill by local manoos...it is simple market economics of demand and supply and also talent..most of the guys I came to know were skilled mason worker, artisian or barbers, which loacl marathi manoos did not grab those jobs..Will you agree that all the metros should be separated from their respective states..also by saying go and celebrate Chath in Chennai and then perform the pious puja in mumbai is no argument...If there is more people from the state in that part of the country and the people want to practice their believes who will stop them and why? May be MNS misunderstood Chath with Samajwadi Party political program..this unawareness for our own countries culture does not go well with a regional hindu party....

by Tushar Lad on Mar 05, 2008 12:06 PMSorry to say but you are not aware about the dada giri of biharis and bhaiyas done every day in local train...

by Tushar Lad on Mar 05, 2008 12:08 PMalso one more thing I would like to tell you that some day back police had caught some bhaiyas in child rape case....and the percentage of bihari and bhaiya labour and worker involve in such crime is higher because they they dont have there family with them...do u call a respected behavior..

by Bihar Badshah on Mar 05, 2008 12:25 PMBihar People would love if you expose these bad politicians and criminals, this way we can get rid of them who ruined us..but now when the state is trying to change for last 2 years..and mind u it is starting from bottom..we need more support from rest of india..you should fight against bad elemenst from our society but should be careful enough to get the right message go that you are eliminating bad elements and hence indirectly helping Bihar and UP in general and people would have supported you..Instead your party took totally unaccpetable route of branding every Bihari as rouge element and start beating people and telling our pious Chath Puja as Tamasha...all these because a Bihar is not rich as Gujrat right now..anyway..it is time for me to sleep..will cath u tomorrow..was nice chatting with u and gets some perspective..
by dilip sawant on Mar 05, 2008 04:30 PMFirst write down Mumbai instead of Bombay.Mumbai Amchih nahi kunachy bapachi.Raj Thakare Zindabad

A later to indian express by Raj for clarification on his standby Tushar Lad on Mar 05, 2008 10:15 AM Hide repliesDo political movements need to obey the law? What about Advani rath yatra, Modi’s Godhra outrage?Respected Sudheendra Kulkarniji, I have read your open letter addressed to me in Loksatta. I am happy to read it. Leaders from Uttar Pradesh and Bihar (not all north Indians, only those from Uttar Pradesh and Bihar) and all north Indian journalists have decided to label whatever I and my colleagues, my party Maharashtra Navnirman Sena do, as "goondagiri". It is natural. They are furious because their inter-connected economic, cultural and political interests have been jeopardized. For the first time, their uncontrolled political and cultural dadagiri has been confronted! With this backdrop, I was happy to read your letter because, for the first time, someone has shown a willingness to discuss and debate the issues raised by me. And it is not someone ordinary but one who has handled the country's politics and culture from the Prime Minister's Office. Sudheendraji, you have made many points in your letter. I will start with the one on violence. But before that, I would like to inform readers that I have been in active politics for about 18-19 years. I hope you don't doubt my political knowledge and experience! But to state the fact, I and my party have not undertaken any illegal, unconstitutional agitation if you consider the backdrop of the political history of our country. Forget the country, even in Maharashtra every political party has indulged in political violence and murder at some time or the other. The levels and layers may be different. Some parties have supported such incidents on moral grounds. Such allegations have been made against many people in the present cabinet. I have neither supported political violence nor have my workers killed their opponents. I will give you just one example. Not even a single worker has offended %u2013%u2013 physically or verbally ­%u2013%u2013 any mediaperson, despite the fact that the entire media (especially Hindi and English media) was spewing venom of contempt for Maharashtrians, on me and my party. I can give you many examples of the media being attacked by enraged workers of all four major political parties in Maharashtra in similar situations. Isn't our patience and conscience indicative of a principled stance? I have already apologised for the death in Nashik during this agitation. But it should also be kept in mind that it was an accident, not a political murder! Maharashtra Navnirman Sena does not believe in political murders! Leaders involved in political murders across the country come to Maharashtra to teach me ahimsa and journalists follow them and address them as "sir" and brand me and my followers as goondas. This is such an irony. I am surprised that nobody is objecting to the dirty politics being played over the death of a person. Now, the violence. Isn't the outbreak of spontaneous outrage in a people's movement understood? Can anyone avoid the violence or damage to property even if it does not bring happiness? Wasn't Gandhiji forced to withdraw his agitation when a chowkie was burnt at Chauri Chaura? Besides, even after all this, was the violence and damage to public property avoided in the 1942 agitation? When people become furious, their response is the same, whether it is the Congress or the African National Congress. Sudheendraji, as you are a former communist, you must be aware of crores of deaths and political murders during communist movements the world over. People's movements are a repetition of history to some extent. Besides, do political movements need to obey the law? Political history learnt by me tells me that breaking the law, getting arrested, braving lathis and getting jailed are symbols of a principled agitation. In recent times, the rulers and opposition parties indulged in movements of political compromise, in which morchas are taken out, the share of benefits of the government and opposition parties are decided. Then the protesters and their companions go home and sleep peacefully! This is called todbazi (compromise). The word political movement is an equivalent word for breaking the law! Tell me, Sudheendraji, was Bihari MP Rajiv Pratap Rudy not aware of Advaniji's Rath Yatra when he chose to criticise me on the grounds that my agitation was unconstitutional, destabilising for the nation, sectarian? How many people died then? How ????

by Bihar Badshah on Mar 05, 2008 10:41 AMDear Tushar Ji, I have written some blog here hope to get some answer from a politician like you..May be your party is trying to raise some points which may need some serious discussion but targeting Bihar and UP and especially those section of people who are not english speaking manoos and who are from labour class who could not fight your party unlawful curbing of their indian rights within their own country is a matter of debate..If data/stat can prove that Mumbai is financial capital because of only Marathi contibution then may be your party justification holds good but if it not correct then all must share the pie...or else one solution will be since this type of pressure is mostly faced by Metros, let us declare the metros as a union terriotory and let the centre handle the issue of so-called ever growing load on these cities..what if instead of a Bihari/UP-ites the influx of immigrants cotinue in Mumbai from villagers from Maharastra will you be then Ok..how does it then solve the problem of ever increasing population load...hope to get some answers..regards...a proud bihari..(and Indian till now)by Bihar Badshah on Mar 05, 2008 10:43 AMBala Saheb had similarily tried to unsuccessfully throw out South Indians in 1960s..your thought on that sir...

by Tushar Lad on Mar 05, 2008 11:26 AMRaj stand is that he dont want to throw out real maharstrian but he want to throw out a dada giri of bihari netas which they did on name of chaat pujja....y the neta from bihar intrested in making raly in mumbai...y can they solve there state problem first then comment on neibour state…No comments on Bala Saheb Vs South Indians…

by Tushar Lad on Mar 05, 2008 10:10 AM Hide repliesA guest is welcomed if he adjusts himself to the host\'s house. But if he tries to change the host\'s house through dadagiri, we won\'t tolerate it. And no means no! I am proud of my workers for their struggle! Please don\'t call it \'Rada\' (hooliganism) by giving old and historic references. They hit the streets to protect their own language and culture. Police are visiting their houses again and again and beating them up like cattle to punish them for protecting their language and culture. They are tolerating it quietly. For whom? For Maharashtra! For India! It is fashionable for intellectuals here to blame my party for the unsolved problem of Marathi identity. But am I or my party responsible for it? And if it has not been solved, is it wrong to struggle for it? For several decades, the mind of Maharashtrians is struggling to solve the Belgaum border issue. There have been several struggles on several levels. But the problem is where it was. Now, are you going to suggest that Maharashtrians should keep quite by presuming that the problem has been solved? Whether it is the question of Palestine or Tamils, European countries and dada countries like America and the U.N. have not been able to solve them for several decades. Have they given up their efforts to solve these problems? Or have they withdrawn by presuming that the problem does not exist? And your last point, Sudheendraji. You have said that I was tempted to launch this agitation in order to get instant and wide publicity for my party. Some arrogant journalists and intellectuals have called it a political stunt. Sudheendraji, frankly speaking, I am not interested in publicity, impact, political benefits and votes. Such success is easily got by political compromise. I don't speak to journalists for months together. I organise meetings and study developmental issues. Journalists then ask 'has Raj Thackeray formed a political party or an NGO?' When I concentrate on organisational matters and ignore other immediate things, journalists ask 'is Raj Thackeray building a party or a house?' (which is my means of livelihood). Then, when I respond to my inner voice and hit the street, journalists say 'this is Raj Thackeray's stunt for publicity'. Sudheendraji, I have learnt to digest all this. I only respond to my inner voice. You may call it anything. Sudheendraji, I hope you are satisfied. I have selected Maharashtra as my area of work. Some inherent deficiencies have to be removed to make Maharashtra magnificent and progressive. For constructing a new building, some soil has to be dug for laying the foundation. From this very Maharashtra, a great man had challenged the Mughal empire with the help of 15-50 colleagues. (I don't intend to compare myself with Chhatrapati Shivraya, lest Maharashtra's intellectuals come down on me). The grave of the powerful Mughal emperor -- Aurangzeb -- exists in Daulatabad in Maharashtra, Riding on the storm created by his 15-50 companions, the great man laid the foundation of an empire. That was the Maratha empire.

RE:RE:Raj's Stand, for your all kind information!by Tushar Lad on Mar 05, 2008 10:11 AM I pray to Shivaji to lend me and my colleagues at the Maharashtra Navnirman Sena a fraction of himself। I am ending this informal letter with the hope that you will wish us well. Jai Maharashtra Guys pls feel free to write your comments pro or against…