Tuesday, April 1, 2008
Strong Medicine For Bal-Raj Syndrome
The medicine to cure the disease called Bal-Raj Syndrome may sound too harsh, immoral and not good for the health of the country. But how will the two Thackerays react if some one from North India adopts tit-for-tat policy. If the duo are hell-bent upon throwing out the human resources from outside their own state do they realize what will happen to Maharashtra if some cynic of Bihar or UP one day launches an agitation calling for the blockade of minerals and foodgrains on way to this western state. After all it has to rely heavily on other states both for minerals and foodgrains.Thackerays, and some of his apologists in the media, film-world and politics, need to be told loud and clear that their state, Maharashtra is a leading industrial power today largely because of the policy enunciated by the politicians of the same North India, against whom they spew venom. They must understand that the freight equalization policy was adopted in 1948 by the Centre to facilitate the equal growth of industry all over the country. At that time we have Jawaharlal Nehru, a man from UP, as the Prime Minister. And then a few years later a Bihari, Rajendra Prasad, became the first President of the country.The worst sufferer of this policy was undoubtedly the undivided Bihar (now Jharkhand hewed out from it) and to some extent Orissa and Madhya Pradesh (now Chhatisgarh carved out from it). Industrialists interested in setting up plants anywhere in the country––Maharashtra, Gujarat, Delhi etc––would get coal, iron ore, aluminium etc at the same price as they used to get in Bihar (now Jharkhand), Chhatisgarh or Orissa. A factory can be set up anywhere in the country and the transportation of minerals would be subsidised by the central government.This resulted in the growth of heavy and middle level industry in the post-independence years outside the mineral-rich regions of the country. The coastal states of Maharashtra and Gujarat were the greatest beneficiaries and so where Delhi and its surrounding districts. Bihar’s huge competitive advantage of holding the minerals got destroyed as now factories were set up everywhere else but in this state. This was not the case in the pre-independence era when Tatas and Dalmias etc had to come and set up industries in Bihar. The freight equalisation policy continued to destroy states like Bihar for about half a century.So if Maharashtra is developed today it is not because of the ‘vision’ of chief ministers like V P Naik, Sharad Pawar or Vilasrao Deshmukh but because of the generosity of the same North Indian politicians. The average Biharis never felt jealous and fully cooperated in the development of other states and cities. So far politicians of today are concerned we all know that whether they are of Maharashtra or Bihar or anywhere else they are of the same hue. To distract the attention from the real issue, some apologists ofThackerays, have started singling out Lalu Yadav and politicians of Bihar. May one ask how honest are the Thackerays and their gangs of extortionists? What about Sharad Pawar and many others having close links with various smugglers and mafia of Mumbai? Are they angels?Biharis were not only generous in giving their own minerals to other states without charging any royalty whatsoever they also provided political platform to politicians of other states. George Fernandes played all his politics in Mumbai but when it was upto fighting and winning election he looked towards Bihar––first time in 1977. Madhu Limaye, Minoo Masani, Acharya Kripalini etc almost all had the link with the then Bombay Province, yet all came to Bihar just to contest election from one constituency or the other as their own state failed to recognize them. But Bihar has not only been open to politicians of Maharashtra, but of other states too. Sharad Yadav, Inder Kumar Gujral, Chandrashekar and several others all looked towards Bihar in the time of trouble. The unique aspect is that these carpetbaggers had absolutely nothing to do with Bihar––they would just contest election here and go. Chandrashekar and Gujral even went on to become the Prime Minister of the country. But none of them who chose Bihar as their launching pad ever did anything worthwhile for this benighted state. As a Bihari nobody ever complained why it used to get lowest central grant––Maharashtra often used to walk away with the highest.The problem is not with the Thackerays, but the so-called apologists of Uncle Bal and Nephew Raj. They need to be explained that in this marine age almost all the big cities of US, UK, Japan, China, Australia etc are port cities as international trade can not be dreamt without them. People of the interior parts of these respective countries get attracted to Shanghai, London, Tokyo, New York, San Francisco, Los Angles, Seattle, Chicago, Sydney, Melbourne etc. If the American, British or Chinese start adopting the policy of dharti-putra (son of the soil) with the people of other states of their own countries their economy will collapse sooner or later.Those who articulate the view of Thackerays in newspaper columns need to understand the location advantage of any place. The per capita income of South England is almost double to that of North England. This notwithstanding the fact that most of the mines and industries are situated in north. Liverpool, Manchester, Birmingham etc became famous for coal, iron and steel and textile industries as early as 19th century. Yet it is London, where average people are much more rich. Incidentally all these cities are ports, yet London is richer because it is political capital of England as well. So if the people of north England, notwithstanding industries, mines as well as ports are poorer than that of south England no media expert holds the politicians of that region responsible for it. Even in the US it is the heartland––especially the regions in the vicinity of Mississippi and Missouri rivers which is the food-basket of that country. Yet all the developments have taken place in the coastal belt.Those whosoever try to pull punches from Thackerays’ diatribe either do not understand the geo-sociological realities of the development or are, one way or the other, simply championing the cause of the same fascist forces against whom they should actually stand up.
Friday, March 14, 2008
मुम्बई रियल फस: क्लास Divide
Mउम्बाई-करस अरे सो गेनेरोउस, व्हें ब्लामिंग कसते एंड क्रिमिनल प्लोइतिसिंस ऑफ़ थे स्टेट ऑफ़ बिहार..बुत आफ्टर रीडिंग थे बेलो न्यूज़..शोव्स ठिर रियल पिक्स...कान्नोत बेलिएवे थिस कैन हप्पें इन २१स्त् सन्तुरी इन अ सिटी लिके मुम्बई..गोद ब्लेस इंडिया..
The upwardly mobile classes in Mumbai would not like their servants to climb up the social ladder just as quickly, it seems.Perpetuating an age-old class divide in the city that started with many low-rise buildings insisting that servants use the stairs even if there was a lift, residents of a swish 36-storey residential complex called Marathon Next Gen (or Marathon Towers) in Lower Parel have told their domestic helps, drivers and other servants not to travel along with them in the building’s elevators and use a separate lift instead.The residents have put up a circular on the building’s notice board saying that of the six lifts in the building, servants, drivers, cooks and courier boys are supposed to use only number 5.Work on Marathon Towers, which has nearly 280 flats, started in 2004 and flat-owners moved in here in 2006.A majority of the building’s occupants are unabashedly in favour of such discrimination, and those, like Prabha Ojha, 55, who opposed the move, found themselves outnumbered when the subject was debated at a residents’ meet recently.“It enraged me when I heard my servant was to use a separate elevator. If he can stay with me in my house, take care of household chores, make my life easier, why should he be subjected to such discrimination?” asked Prabha Ojha, a resident.However, other residents feel the separation was necessary.“The servants sometimes crowd the elevators. With this demarcation, the residents won’t have to wait. At times, the servants themselves hesitate to use the same lift when the flat-owners are using it. The rule makes it simpler for them too,” said Nathmal Jain, 72, a resident.Jain said renovation work was on in some parts of the building, so labourers, plumbers and electricians came in throughout the day. “If they are allowed to use all lifts, they keep going to and fro all day and the elevators are not available for our use,” he stressed.Rama Broker, 65, who stays on the ninth floor, said vendors, delivery boys, washer-men and workers visited the building regularly. “If all elevators are allowed to be used by all and sundry, there are chances that the visitors, guests or owners will have to wait. So what if there is a separate provision? This makes things easier for all,” she said.Shiksha Daga, another occupant, raised the usual ‘class’ question about ‘cleanliness.’ She said, “The drivers and servants chew gutkha that gives a very foul smell. It is better that they use a different elevator.”Reddy S, another resident, however said, “I feel there is no need for separate lifts for servants. If it is an issue about power-saving and making things smoother and simpler, there are better ways of doing so.”‘Security is the issue’Explaining the idea behind the circular, Alok Wadnere, estate manager of Marathon Next Gen said, “The foremost reason is security. There are numerous people coming into the complex. Most of them come to work at the building or deliver some stuff at the flats. If we allow use of lifts without demarcation, people will tend to misuse the facility. Each house has more than one domestic help and there are outsiders. Sometimes guests have to wait while others use elevators. This is not done with an intention of causing discrimination but only to make things easier for our occupants,” he added.The servants crowd elevators. With this separation, the residents won’t have to wait. - Nathmal Jain, a रेसिदेंत...
Such discrimination is not really new in the city। Several low-rise buildings still insist that servants use the stairs and not the lift.A 20-storey building on Napeansea Road had laid out such rules in the late 60s, when it came up. The building has 120 apartments spread across two wings, each of which has four lifts. Servants are supposed to use the service lift that is otherwise used for transporting goods.Kishore Pasari, a resident of the building said once his music teacher, who obviously did not care much for his appearance, was mistaken for a servant and asked by security guards to use the service lift. A plush building at Nariman Point too has a rule that restricts servants, couriers, drivers and other workers from using the building’s four main lifts. They have to take the service lift. A resident said the rule was inevitable as there were too many servants in the building.
Why the comment moderator is not showing comments, looks like this moderator is indirectly favouring CLASS-BASED INDIAN SOCIETY.Hope these high class people don't ask GOD for special road.
- Contributed by TalkBack , hihowdoing@yahoo.com on Friday, March 14, 200807:40 AM
Hope when these people die GOD should also have separate queue for them.A queue where not many people are standing in front of them HELL's Road is the name.Mr Nathmal Jain, you are Jain and as I understood your religion teaches "Ahinsha, love ", is it just bull-shit then since you have family name Jain.Hope tomorrow you don't ask for separate road, separate sky, separate road which goes to HELL.Even late Dhirubhai Ambani started at low level, so what you are feeling proud about.
- Contributed by TalkBack , hihowdoing@yahoo.com on Friday, March 14, 200804:30 AM
you know its quite interesting: This form has a note in the bottom saying: "Fields marked * are compulsory". On the contrary, none of the fields are marked with * sign. How stupid of Mumbai Mirror.. . lol
- Contributed by chhagan , chhaganbhujbad@yahoo.co.in on Friday, March 14, 200804:29 AM
You idiots!!! I have nothing to say but to laugh at your mentality!!! Residents don't have to wait- but servants have to? Why? just because you guys live in a high-end society, you think you people are kings? Aren't they humans? The creator is the same you idiots! there are 6 elevators in the building? are all the elevators going to be full every single time... I mean think about it- who are you to differentiate someone from using an elevator or not? Just because living in an high-end building, its your ego that differentiates them. At the end of the day, you losers eat food from their hands and even walk on the floors that are mopped by them!!!!
- Contributed by chhagan , chhaganbhujbad@yahoo.co.in on Friday, March 14, 200804:28 AM
Such class divide will take India to the dogs!! I am glad I moved out long time ago. All the reasons cited here seem to be flimsy to me. There are service elevators in the west too but the purpose is to haul heavy and bulky packages/ boxes etc., not to discriminate against people.
- Contributed by Raul , ajaxvalencia@gmail.com on Friday, March 14, 200804:11 AM
The upwardly mobile classes in Mumbai would not like their servants to climb up the social ladder just as quickly, it seems.Perpetuating an age-old class divide in the city that started with many low-rise buildings insisting that servants use the stairs even if there was a lift, residents of a swish 36-storey residential complex called Marathon Next Gen (or Marathon Towers) in Lower Parel have told their domestic helps, drivers and other servants not to travel along with them in the building’s elevators and use a separate lift instead.The residents have put up a circular on the building’s notice board saying that of the six lifts in the building, servants, drivers, cooks and courier boys are supposed to use only number 5.Work on Marathon Towers, which has nearly 280 flats, started in 2004 and flat-owners moved in here in 2006.A majority of the building’s occupants are unabashedly in favour of such discrimination, and those, like Prabha Ojha, 55, who opposed the move, found themselves outnumbered when the subject was debated at a residents’ meet recently.“It enraged me when I heard my servant was to use a separate elevator. If he can stay with me in my house, take care of household chores, make my life easier, why should he be subjected to such discrimination?” asked Prabha Ojha, a resident.However, other residents feel the separation was necessary.“The servants sometimes crowd the elevators. With this demarcation, the residents won’t have to wait. At times, the servants themselves hesitate to use the same lift when the flat-owners are using it. The rule makes it simpler for them too,” said Nathmal Jain, 72, a resident.Jain said renovation work was on in some parts of the building, so labourers, plumbers and electricians came in throughout the day. “If they are allowed to use all lifts, they keep going to and fro all day and the elevators are not available for our use,” he stressed.Rama Broker, 65, who stays on the ninth floor, said vendors, delivery boys, washer-men and workers visited the building regularly. “If all elevators are allowed to be used by all and sundry, there are chances that the visitors, guests or owners will have to wait. So what if there is a separate provision? This makes things easier for all,” she said.Shiksha Daga, another occupant, raised the usual ‘class’ question about ‘cleanliness.’ She said, “The drivers and servants chew gutkha that gives a very foul smell. It is better that they use a different elevator.”Reddy S, another resident, however said, “I feel there is no need for separate lifts for servants. If it is an issue about power-saving and making things smoother and simpler, there are better ways of doing so.”‘Security is the issue’Explaining the idea behind the circular, Alok Wadnere, estate manager of Marathon Next Gen said, “The foremost reason is security. There are numerous people coming into the complex. Most of them come to work at the building or deliver some stuff at the flats. If we allow use of lifts without demarcation, people will tend to misuse the facility. Each house has more than one domestic help and there are outsiders. Sometimes guests have to wait while others use elevators. This is not done with an intention of causing discrimination but only to make things easier for our occupants,” he added.The servants crowd elevators. With this separation, the residents won’t have to wait. - Nathmal Jain, a रेसिदेंत...
Such discrimination is not really new in the city। Several low-rise buildings still insist that servants use the stairs and not the lift.A 20-storey building on Napeansea Road had laid out such rules in the late 60s, when it came up. The building has 120 apartments spread across two wings, each of which has four lifts. Servants are supposed to use the service lift that is otherwise used for transporting goods.Kishore Pasari, a resident of the building said once his music teacher, who obviously did not care much for his appearance, was mistaken for a servant and asked by security guards to use the service lift. A plush building at Nariman Point too has a rule that restricts servants, couriers, drivers and other workers from using the building’s four main lifts. They have to take the service lift. A resident said the rule was inevitable as there were too many servants in the building.
Why the comment moderator is not showing comments, looks like this moderator is indirectly favouring CLASS-BASED INDIAN SOCIETY.Hope these high class people don't ask GOD for special road.
- Contributed by TalkBack , hihowdoing@yahoo.com on Friday, March 14, 200807:40 AM
Hope when these people die GOD should also have separate queue for them.A queue where not many people are standing in front of them HELL's Road is the name.Mr Nathmal Jain, you are Jain and as I understood your religion teaches "Ahinsha, love ", is it just bull-shit then since you have family name Jain.Hope tomorrow you don't ask for separate road, separate sky, separate road which goes to HELL.Even late Dhirubhai Ambani started at low level, so what you are feeling proud about.
- Contributed by TalkBack , hihowdoing@yahoo.com on Friday, March 14, 200804:30 AM
you know its quite interesting: This form has a note in the bottom saying: "Fields marked * are compulsory". On the contrary, none of the fields are marked with * sign. How stupid of Mumbai Mirror.. . lol
- Contributed by chhagan , chhaganbhujbad@yahoo.co.in on Friday, March 14, 200804:29 AM
You idiots!!! I have nothing to say but to laugh at your mentality!!! Residents don't have to wait- but servants have to? Why? just because you guys live in a high-end society, you think you people are kings? Aren't they humans? The creator is the same you idiots! there are 6 elevators in the building? are all the elevators going to be full every single time... I mean think about it- who are you to differentiate someone from using an elevator or not? Just because living in an high-end building, its your ego that differentiates them. At the end of the day, you losers eat food from their hands and even walk on the floors that are mopped by them!!!!
- Contributed by chhagan , chhaganbhujbad@yahoo.co.in on Friday, March 14, 200804:28 AM
Such class divide will take India to the dogs!! I am glad I moved out long time ago. All the reasons cited here seem to be flimsy to me. There are service elevators in the west too but the purpose is to haul heavy and bulky packages/ boxes etc., not to discriminate against people.
- Contributed by Raul , ajaxvalencia@gmail.com on Friday, March 14, 200804:11 AM
Thursday, March 13, 2008
MNS Leader Vs Bihar Badshah Debate
I and MNS politician Tushar Lad exchanged some scrap ।I am "Bihar Badshah" in the blog profile॥ Feel free to share your views..both bihari and marathi citizens are welcomed.
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Writing on the wall - India's greats have started coming from small town UP and Bihar nowby Secular India on Mar 05, 2008 10:47 AM Hide repliesThe future of Indian cricket , like that of economy, lies in small towns and bylanes of North India...its the fire in people Ishant Sharma, Rohit Sharma ( currently in Bombay ) , Tanmay Srivastava, Praveen Kumar , RP Singh and Mahendra Singh Dhoni who inspire India to reach greater hieghts. The next Tendulkars and Gavaskars are bred in the bylanes of Meerut, Ranchi , Kanpur and Barielly. Much like the IIT /IAS and IIM toppers are more likely to come from the bylanes of Moradabad and Patna than Turner Road in Bandra or Greater Kailash in Delhi.The reason is two fold 1) they try harder because hard work is the only path to success in a land with few opportunity 2) Much larger population pool 3) history of superior higher education. I also see that most software engineers now come from small towns accross India. India's best and fastest growing cities of Noida and Greater Noida happen to be in UP ! and so also large MNC software companies like Adobe and Oracle.People who use forum to abuse people of these states must realise that the time has changed.
RE:Writing on the wall - India's greats have started coming from small town UP and Bihar nowby Bihar Badshah on Mar 05, 2008 11:01 AMwell said..totally agree..but inspite of venom spread by MNS..Sachin, Kapil and Gavaskar will always be my favourite.they are not a marathi or haraynvi..but an indian asset..hope same thing could have been said for Mr Raj Thackrey and Mr Tushar Lad.
by Tushar Lad on Mar 05, 2008 11:30 AMI agree with u...and problem of regionalisum..but y dont ppl undstand the presence and real cluture of mumbai and y they want to make it bihari cluture...I m not against any state I m against the mind set of ppl who dont want to respect the land where they are earning....Your bihari neta go to south and do chat pujja.. ???
by Bihar Badshah on Mar 05, 2008 11:45 AMDear Tushar Ji, it is my great surprise to talk with a MNS politician...i too aspire to become one for my state of bihar..I have one question, I totally agree that immigrants from outside should respect local culture and based on whatever time they get from their rozi-roti should learn marathi and blend with local folks..but the way u say...u ppl, bihari culture smells as bit arogance and as if you mean to say the very bihari means something low and untouchables....if you are talking abt labor class vs urban class then that is diff debate but branding every resident from bihar as ur bihari culture..sounds arrogant..Being Hindu regional party how it is not acceptable for you to pray SUN GOD....Chath is nothing but praying to SUN god, we also pray Ganesh and millions of other Hindu god so how cum within Hindu some god become Bihari and some Marathi...Secondly am I suppose to not practice my believes in my own country or where I choose to stay..is that un-lawful or un-constitutional..If you are talking about some parties and their conduct I will not say anything as you have full right to fight any elements which comes into your home and tries to make you look alien, but as an indian it can not be tolerated that you brand all resident of some state as part of the political party you are fighting and say ur culture..etc cannot be practiced....I am just debating here...
by Tushar Lad on Mar 05, 2008 12:01 PMMNS is not against any GOD it is against the ppl specialy Bihari politicians who want to enter in to the mumbai politics with dada giri, MNS is against the way chaat pujja is celebrated by one of the Bihari leader, who said he can get a sticks out of flags for Marathi ppl...do u think is this a way to respect the maharstrian in mumbai....and what ever is happen after that is a out come of this dadagiri done by bihari neta...and every protest involve violence cause now a days our gov is follwing same way of british to shut the mouths of nonviolennt protesters with the use of army and BSF and police....GOV is using there power to shut the mouth of protesters. thats Y violence is a outcome of that.....because this gov need a bang ..cause they cant here the sound of non violence protester.
by Bihar Badshah on Mar 05, 2008 12:12 PMIf things like that had been said it is very bad and all the like minded Bihari people feel sorry for politicing the pious Chath...May I request who that politician is? There may be factual error if you are talking about Mr Abu Azmi or Mulayam Singh...As far as the railway minsiter current statement was concerned that wa smade after the exodus started happening..I am not sure if you are talking abt Sanjay Nirupam..he was by way from your own parent party to begin with and has been maharastra resident for years..so he should be treated as one of urs..anyway people of bihar totally distance themselves from politicing of our pious Chath....but then MNS should have talked with CM of Bihar and UP to ask their residents who are in mumbai to concentrate on work and culture and not become tool for politics..that communication did not happen instead you guys started beating the lowest section of the society..who cannot fight....financially or via media...You have no problem when a gujrati celebrates big big dandiya nights....or millions of south indians celebrating their festivals...If MNS was really fighting for a genuine cause and wanted national support they should have requested 20 million plus pop of UP/Bihar currenlty in mumbai to separate culture programs from Politics and we all would have then supported ..but definitely not the way it was done...beating the poorest of poor...who are easy targets....
by Bihar Badshah on Mar 05, 2008 11:52 AMAlso Sir the section of people that come to metros are mostly Labor class people, how can you expect them to behave as an urban people..educate them don't beat them...a marathi villager will also have rural ettiquette when he comes to mumbai....and all those folks from UP and Bihar came to mumbai because the financial capital of india had certain jobs and position to be filled to run the economic engine, which was not been able to fill by local manoos...it is simple market economics of demand and supply and also talent..most of the guys I came to know were skilled mason worker, artisian or barbers, which loacl marathi manoos did not grab those jobs..Will you agree that all the metros should be separated from their respective states..also by saying go and celebrate Chath in Chennai and then perform the pious puja in mumbai is no argument...If there is more people from the state in that part of the country and the people want to practice their believes who will stop them and why? May be MNS misunderstood Chath with Samajwadi Party political program..this unawareness for our own countries culture does not go well with a regional hindu party....
by Tushar Lad on Mar 05, 2008 12:06 PMSorry to say but you are not aware about the dada giri of biharis and bhaiyas done every day in local train...
by Tushar Lad on Mar 05, 2008 12:08 PMalso one more thing I would like to tell you that some day back police had caught some bhaiyas in child rape case....and the percentage of bihari and bhaiya labour and worker involve in such crime is higher because they they dont have there family with them...do u call a respected behavior..
by Bihar Badshah on Mar 05, 2008 12:25 PMBihar People would love if you expose these bad politicians and criminals, this way we can get rid of them who ruined us..but now when the state is trying to change for last 2 years..and mind u it is starting from bottom..we need more support from rest of india..you should fight against bad elemenst from our society but should be careful enough to get the right message go that you are eliminating bad elements and hence indirectly helping Bihar and UP in general and people would have supported you..Instead your party took totally unaccpetable route of branding every Bihari as rouge element and start beating people and telling our pious Chath Puja as Tamasha...all these because a Bihar is not rich as Gujrat right now..anyway..it is time for me to sleep..will cath u tomorrow..was nice chatting with u and gets some perspective..
by dilip sawant on Mar 05, 2008 04:30 PMFirst write down Mumbai instead of Bombay.Mumbai Amchih nahi kunachy bapachi.Raj Thakare Zindabad
A later to indian express by Raj for clarification on his standby Tushar Lad on Mar 05, 2008 10:15 AM Hide repliesDo political movements need to obey the law? What about Advani rath yatra, Modi’s Godhra outrage?Respected Sudheendra Kulkarniji, I have read your open letter addressed to me in Loksatta. I am happy to read it. Leaders from Uttar Pradesh and Bihar (not all north Indians, only those from Uttar Pradesh and Bihar) and all north Indian journalists have decided to label whatever I and my colleagues, my party Maharashtra Navnirman Sena do, as "goondagiri". It is natural. They are furious because their inter-connected economic, cultural and political interests have been jeopardized. For the first time, their uncontrolled political and cultural dadagiri has been confronted! With this backdrop, I was happy to read your letter because, for the first time, someone has shown a willingness to discuss and debate the issues raised by me. And it is not someone ordinary but one who has handled the country's politics and culture from the Prime Minister's Office. Sudheendraji, you have made many points in your letter. I will start with the one on violence. But before that, I would like to inform readers that I have been in active politics for about 18-19 years. I hope you don't doubt my political knowledge and experience! But to state the fact, I and my party have not undertaken any illegal, unconstitutional agitation if you consider the backdrop of the political history of our country. Forget the country, even in Maharashtra every political party has indulged in political violence and murder at some time or the other. The levels and layers may be different. Some parties have supported such incidents on moral grounds. Such allegations have been made against many people in the present cabinet. I have neither supported political violence nor have my workers killed their opponents. I will give you just one example. Not even a single worker has offended %u2013%u2013 physically or verbally %u2013%u2013 any mediaperson, despite the fact that the entire media (especially Hindi and English media) was spewing venom of contempt for Maharashtrians, on me and my party. I can give you many examples of the media being attacked by enraged workers of all four major political parties in Maharashtra in similar situations. Isn't our patience and conscience indicative of a principled stance? I have already apologised for the death in Nashik during this agitation. But it should also be kept in mind that it was an accident, not a political murder! Maharashtra Navnirman Sena does not believe in political murders! Leaders involved in political murders across the country come to Maharashtra to teach me ahimsa and journalists follow them and address them as "sir" and brand me and my followers as goondas. This is such an irony. I am surprised that nobody is objecting to the dirty politics being played over the death of a person. Now, the violence. Isn't the outbreak of spontaneous outrage in a people's movement understood? Can anyone avoid the violence or damage to property even if it does not bring happiness? Wasn't Gandhiji forced to withdraw his agitation when a chowkie was burnt at Chauri Chaura? Besides, even after all this, was the violence and damage to public property avoided in the 1942 agitation? When people become furious, their response is the same, whether it is the Congress or the African National Congress. Sudheendraji, as you are a former communist, you must be aware of crores of deaths and political murders during communist movements the world over. People's movements are a repetition of history to some extent. Besides, do political movements need to obey the law? Political history learnt by me tells me that breaking the law, getting arrested, braving lathis and getting jailed are symbols of a principled agitation. In recent times, the rulers and opposition parties indulged in movements of political compromise, in which morchas are taken out, the share of benefits of the government and opposition parties are decided. Then the protesters and their companions go home and sleep peacefully! This is called todbazi (compromise). The word political movement is an equivalent word for breaking the law! Tell me, Sudheendraji, was Bihari MP Rajiv Pratap Rudy not aware of Advaniji's Rath Yatra when he chose to criticise me on the grounds that my agitation was unconstitutional, destabilising for the nation, sectarian? How many people died then? How ????
by Bihar Badshah on Mar 05, 2008 10:41 AMDear Tushar Ji, I have written some blog here hope to get some answer from a politician like you..May be your party is trying to raise some points which may need some serious discussion but targeting Bihar and UP and especially those section of people who are not english speaking manoos and who are from labour class who could not fight your party unlawful curbing of their indian rights within their own country is a matter of debate..If data/stat can prove that Mumbai is financial capital because of only Marathi contibution then may be your party justification holds good but if it not correct then all must share the pie...or else one solution will be since this type of pressure is mostly faced by Metros, let us declare the metros as a union terriotory and let the centre handle the issue of so-called ever growing load on these cities..what if instead of a Bihari/UP-ites the influx of immigrants cotinue in Mumbai from villagers from Maharastra will you be then Ok..how does it then solve the problem of ever increasing population load...hope to get some answers..regards...a proud bihari..(and Indian till now)by Bihar Badshah on Mar 05, 2008 10:43 AMBala Saheb had similarily tried to unsuccessfully throw out South Indians in 1960s..your thought on that sir...
by Tushar Lad on Mar 05, 2008 11:26 AMRaj stand is that he dont want to throw out real maharstrian but he want to throw out a dada giri of bihari netas which they did on name of chaat pujja....y the neta from bihar intrested in making raly in mumbai...y can they solve there state problem first then comment on neibour state…No comments on Bala Saheb Vs South Indians…
by Tushar Lad on Mar 05, 2008 10:10 AM Hide repliesA guest is welcomed if he adjusts himself to the host\'s house. But if he tries to change the host\'s house through dadagiri, we won\'t tolerate it. And no means no! I am proud of my workers for their struggle! Please don\'t call it \'Rada\' (hooliganism) by giving old and historic references. They hit the streets to protect their own language and culture. Police are visiting their houses again and again and beating them up like cattle to punish them for protecting their language and culture. They are tolerating it quietly. For whom? For Maharashtra! For India! It is fashionable for intellectuals here to blame my party for the unsolved problem of Marathi identity. But am I or my party responsible for it? And if it has not been solved, is it wrong to struggle for it? For several decades, the mind of Maharashtrians is struggling to solve the Belgaum border issue. There have been several struggles on several levels. But the problem is where it was. Now, are you going to suggest that Maharashtrians should keep quite by presuming that the problem has been solved? Whether it is the question of Palestine or Tamils, European countries and dada countries like America and the U.N. have not been able to solve them for several decades. Have they given up their efforts to solve these problems? Or have they withdrawn by presuming that the problem does not exist? And your last point, Sudheendraji. You have said that I was tempted to launch this agitation in order to get instant and wide publicity for my party. Some arrogant journalists and intellectuals have called it a political stunt. Sudheendraji, frankly speaking, I am not interested in publicity, impact, political benefits and votes. Such success is easily got by political compromise. I don't speak to journalists for months together. I organise meetings and study developmental issues. Journalists then ask 'has Raj Thackeray formed a political party or an NGO?' When I concentrate on organisational matters and ignore other immediate things, journalists ask 'is Raj Thackeray building a party or a house?' (which is my means of livelihood). Then, when I respond to my inner voice and hit the street, journalists say 'this is Raj Thackeray's stunt for publicity'. Sudheendraji, I have learnt to digest all this. I only respond to my inner voice. You may call it anything. Sudheendraji, I hope you are satisfied. I have selected Maharashtra as my area of work. Some inherent deficiencies have to be removed to make Maharashtra magnificent and progressive. For constructing a new building, some soil has to be dug for laying the foundation. From this very Maharashtra, a great man had challenged the Mughal empire with the help of 15-50 colleagues. (I don't intend to compare myself with Chhatrapati Shivraya, lest Maharashtra's intellectuals come down on me). The grave of the powerful Mughal emperor -- Aurangzeb -- exists in Daulatabad in Maharashtra, Riding on the storm created by his 15-50 companions, the great man laid the foundation of an empire. That was the Maratha empire.
RE:RE:Raj's Stand, for your all kind information!by Tushar Lad on Mar 05, 2008 10:11 AM I pray to Shivaji to lend me and my colleagues at the Maharashtra Navnirman Sena a fraction of himself। I am ending this informal letter with the hope that you will wish us well. Jai Maharashtra Guys pls feel free to write your comments pro or against…
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Writing on the wall - India's greats have started coming from small town UP and Bihar nowby Secular India on Mar 05, 2008 10:47 AM Hide repliesThe future of Indian cricket , like that of economy, lies in small towns and bylanes of North India...its the fire in people Ishant Sharma, Rohit Sharma ( currently in Bombay ) , Tanmay Srivastava, Praveen Kumar , RP Singh and Mahendra Singh Dhoni who inspire India to reach greater hieghts. The next Tendulkars and Gavaskars are bred in the bylanes of Meerut, Ranchi , Kanpur and Barielly. Much like the IIT /IAS and IIM toppers are more likely to come from the bylanes of Moradabad and Patna than Turner Road in Bandra or Greater Kailash in Delhi.The reason is two fold 1) they try harder because hard work is the only path to success in a land with few opportunity 2) Much larger population pool 3) history of superior higher education. I also see that most software engineers now come from small towns accross India. India's best and fastest growing cities of Noida and Greater Noida happen to be in UP ! and so also large MNC software companies like Adobe and Oracle.People who use forum to abuse people of these states must realise that the time has changed.
RE:Writing on the wall - India's greats have started coming from small town UP and Bihar nowby Bihar Badshah on Mar 05, 2008 11:01 AMwell said..totally agree..but inspite of venom spread by MNS..Sachin, Kapil and Gavaskar will always be my favourite.they are not a marathi or haraynvi..but an indian asset..hope same thing could have been said for Mr Raj Thackrey and Mr Tushar Lad.
by Tushar Lad on Mar 05, 2008 11:30 AMI agree with u...and problem of regionalisum..but y dont ppl undstand the presence and real cluture of mumbai and y they want to make it bihari cluture...I m not against any state I m against the mind set of ppl who dont want to respect the land where they are earning....Your bihari neta go to south and do chat pujja.. ???
by Bihar Badshah on Mar 05, 2008 11:45 AMDear Tushar Ji, it is my great surprise to talk with a MNS politician...i too aspire to become one for my state of bihar..I have one question, I totally agree that immigrants from outside should respect local culture and based on whatever time they get from their rozi-roti should learn marathi and blend with local folks..but the way u say...u ppl, bihari culture smells as bit arogance and as if you mean to say the very bihari means something low and untouchables....if you are talking abt labor class vs urban class then that is diff debate but branding every resident from bihar as ur bihari culture..sounds arrogant..Being Hindu regional party how it is not acceptable for you to pray SUN GOD....Chath is nothing but praying to SUN god, we also pray Ganesh and millions of other Hindu god so how cum within Hindu some god become Bihari and some Marathi...Secondly am I suppose to not practice my believes in my own country or where I choose to stay..is that un-lawful or un-constitutional..If you are talking about some parties and their conduct I will not say anything as you have full right to fight any elements which comes into your home and tries to make you look alien, but as an indian it can not be tolerated that you brand all resident of some state as part of the political party you are fighting and say ur culture..etc cannot be practiced....I am just debating here...
by Tushar Lad on Mar 05, 2008 12:01 PMMNS is not against any GOD it is against the ppl specialy Bihari politicians who want to enter in to the mumbai politics with dada giri, MNS is against the way chaat pujja is celebrated by one of the Bihari leader, who said he can get a sticks out of flags for Marathi ppl...do u think is this a way to respect the maharstrian in mumbai....and what ever is happen after that is a out come of this dadagiri done by bihari neta...and every protest involve violence cause now a days our gov is follwing same way of british to shut the mouths of nonviolennt protesters with the use of army and BSF and police....GOV is using there power to shut the mouth of protesters. thats Y violence is a outcome of that.....because this gov need a bang ..cause they cant here the sound of non violence protester.
by Bihar Badshah on Mar 05, 2008 12:12 PMIf things like that had been said it is very bad and all the like minded Bihari people feel sorry for politicing the pious Chath...May I request who that politician is? There may be factual error if you are talking about Mr Abu Azmi or Mulayam Singh...As far as the railway minsiter current statement was concerned that wa smade after the exodus started happening..I am not sure if you are talking abt Sanjay Nirupam..he was by way from your own parent party to begin with and has been maharastra resident for years..so he should be treated as one of urs..anyway people of bihar totally distance themselves from politicing of our pious Chath....but then MNS should have talked with CM of Bihar and UP to ask their residents who are in mumbai to concentrate on work and culture and not become tool for politics..that communication did not happen instead you guys started beating the lowest section of the society..who cannot fight....financially or via media...You have no problem when a gujrati celebrates big big dandiya nights....or millions of south indians celebrating their festivals...If MNS was really fighting for a genuine cause and wanted national support they should have requested 20 million plus pop of UP/Bihar currenlty in mumbai to separate culture programs from Politics and we all would have then supported ..but definitely not the way it was done...beating the poorest of poor...who are easy targets....
by Bihar Badshah on Mar 05, 2008 11:52 AMAlso Sir the section of people that come to metros are mostly Labor class people, how can you expect them to behave as an urban people..educate them don't beat them...a marathi villager will also have rural ettiquette when he comes to mumbai....and all those folks from UP and Bihar came to mumbai because the financial capital of india had certain jobs and position to be filled to run the economic engine, which was not been able to fill by local manoos...it is simple market economics of demand and supply and also talent..most of the guys I came to know were skilled mason worker, artisian or barbers, which loacl marathi manoos did not grab those jobs..Will you agree that all the metros should be separated from their respective states..also by saying go and celebrate Chath in Chennai and then perform the pious puja in mumbai is no argument...If there is more people from the state in that part of the country and the people want to practice their believes who will stop them and why? May be MNS misunderstood Chath with Samajwadi Party political program..this unawareness for our own countries culture does not go well with a regional hindu party....
by Tushar Lad on Mar 05, 2008 12:06 PMSorry to say but you are not aware about the dada giri of biharis and bhaiyas done every day in local train...
by Tushar Lad on Mar 05, 2008 12:08 PMalso one more thing I would like to tell you that some day back police had caught some bhaiyas in child rape case....and the percentage of bihari and bhaiya labour and worker involve in such crime is higher because they they dont have there family with them...do u call a respected behavior..
by Bihar Badshah on Mar 05, 2008 12:25 PMBihar People would love if you expose these bad politicians and criminals, this way we can get rid of them who ruined us..but now when the state is trying to change for last 2 years..and mind u it is starting from bottom..we need more support from rest of india..you should fight against bad elemenst from our society but should be careful enough to get the right message go that you are eliminating bad elements and hence indirectly helping Bihar and UP in general and people would have supported you..Instead your party took totally unaccpetable route of branding every Bihari as rouge element and start beating people and telling our pious Chath Puja as Tamasha...all these because a Bihar is not rich as Gujrat right now..anyway..it is time for me to sleep..will cath u tomorrow..was nice chatting with u and gets some perspective..
by dilip sawant on Mar 05, 2008 04:30 PMFirst write down Mumbai instead of Bombay.Mumbai Amchih nahi kunachy bapachi.Raj Thakare Zindabad
A later to indian express by Raj for clarification on his standby Tushar Lad on Mar 05, 2008 10:15 AM Hide repliesDo political movements need to obey the law? What about Advani rath yatra, Modi’s Godhra outrage?Respected Sudheendra Kulkarniji, I have read your open letter addressed to me in Loksatta. I am happy to read it. Leaders from Uttar Pradesh and Bihar (not all north Indians, only those from Uttar Pradesh and Bihar) and all north Indian journalists have decided to label whatever I and my colleagues, my party Maharashtra Navnirman Sena do, as "goondagiri". It is natural. They are furious because their inter-connected economic, cultural and political interests have been jeopardized. For the first time, their uncontrolled political and cultural dadagiri has been confronted! With this backdrop, I was happy to read your letter because, for the first time, someone has shown a willingness to discuss and debate the issues raised by me. And it is not someone ordinary but one who has handled the country's politics and culture from the Prime Minister's Office. Sudheendraji, you have made many points in your letter. I will start with the one on violence. But before that, I would like to inform readers that I have been in active politics for about 18-19 years. I hope you don't doubt my political knowledge and experience! But to state the fact, I and my party have not undertaken any illegal, unconstitutional agitation if you consider the backdrop of the political history of our country. Forget the country, even in Maharashtra every political party has indulged in political violence and murder at some time or the other. The levels and layers may be different. Some parties have supported such incidents on moral grounds. Such allegations have been made against many people in the present cabinet. I have neither supported political violence nor have my workers killed their opponents. I will give you just one example. Not even a single worker has offended %u2013%u2013 physically or verbally %u2013%u2013 any mediaperson, despite the fact that the entire media (especially Hindi and English media) was spewing venom of contempt for Maharashtrians, on me and my party. I can give you many examples of the media being attacked by enraged workers of all four major political parties in Maharashtra in similar situations. Isn't our patience and conscience indicative of a principled stance? I have already apologised for the death in Nashik during this agitation. But it should also be kept in mind that it was an accident, not a political murder! Maharashtra Navnirman Sena does not believe in political murders! Leaders involved in political murders across the country come to Maharashtra to teach me ahimsa and journalists follow them and address them as "sir" and brand me and my followers as goondas. This is such an irony. I am surprised that nobody is objecting to the dirty politics being played over the death of a person. Now, the violence. Isn't the outbreak of spontaneous outrage in a people's movement understood? Can anyone avoid the violence or damage to property even if it does not bring happiness? Wasn't Gandhiji forced to withdraw his agitation when a chowkie was burnt at Chauri Chaura? Besides, even after all this, was the violence and damage to public property avoided in the 1942 agitation? When people become furious, their response is the same, whether it is the Congress or the African National Congress. Sudheendraji, as you are a former communist, you must be aware of crores of deaths and political murders during communist movements the world over. People's movements are a repetition of history to some extent. Besides, do political movements need to obey the law? Political history learnt by me tells me that breaking the law, getting arrested, braving lathis and getting jailed are symbols of a principled agitation. In recent times, the rulers and opposition parties indulged in movements of political compromise, in which morchas are taken out, the share of benefits of the government and opposition parties are decided. Then the protesters and their companions go home and sleep peacefully! This is called todbazi (compromise). The word political movement is an equivalent word for breaking the law! Tell me, Sudheendraji, was Bihari MP Rajiv Pratap Rudy not aware of Advaniji's Rath Yatra when he chose to criticise me on the grounds that my agitation was unconstitutional, destabilising for the nation, sectarian? How many people died then? How ????
by Bihar Badshah on Mar 05, 2008 10:41 AMDear Tushar Ji, I have written some blog here hope to get some answer from a politician like you..May be your party is trying to raise some points which may need some serious discussion but targeting Bihar and UP and especially those section of people who are not english speaking manoos and who are from labour class who could not fight your party unlawful curbing of their indian rights within their own country is a matter of debate..If data/stat can prove that Mumbai is financial capital because of only Marathi contibution then may be your party justification holds good but if it not correct then all must share the pie...or else one solution will be since this type of pressure is mostly faced by Metros, let us declare the metros as a union terriotory and let the centre handle the issue of so-called ever growing load on these cities..what if instead of a Bihari/UP-ites the influx of immigrants cotinue in Mumbai from villagers from Maharastra will you be then Ok..how does it then solve the problem of ever increasing population load...hope to get some answers..regards...a proud bihari..(and Indian till now)by Bihar Badshah on Mar 05, 2008 10:43 AMBala Saheb had similarily tried to unsuccessfully throw out South Indians in 1960s..your thought on that sir...
by Tushar Lad on Mar 05, 2008 11:26 AMRaj stand is that he dont want to throw out real maharstrian but he want to throw out a dada giri of bihari netas which they did on name of chaat pujja....y the neta from bihar intrested in making raly in mumbai...y can they solve there state problem first then comment on neibour state…No comments on Bala Saheb Vs South Indians…
by Tushar Lad on Mar 05, 2008 10:10 AM Hide repliesA guest is welcomed if he adjusts himself to the host\'s house. But if he tries to change the host\'s house through dadagiri, we won\'t tolerate it. And no means no! I am proud of my workers for their struggle! Please don\'t call it \'Rada\' (hooliganism) by giving old and historic references. They hit the streets to protect their own language and culture. Police are visiting their houses again and again and beating them up like cattle to punish them for protecting their language and culture. They are tolerating it quietly. For whom? For Maharashtra! For India! It is fashionable for intellectuals here to blame my party for the unsolved problem of Marathi identity. But am I or my party responsible for it? And if it has not been solved, is it wrong to struggle for it? For several decades, the mind of Maharashtrians is struggling to solve the Belgaum border issue. There have been several struggles on several levels. But the problem is where it was. Now, are you going to suggest that Maharashtrians should keep quite by presuming that the problem has been solved? Whether it is the question of Palestine or Tamils, European countries and dada countries like America and the U.N. have not been able to solve them for several decades. Have they given up their efforts to solve these problems? Or have they withdrawn by presuming that the problem does not exist? And your last point, Sudheendraji. You have said that I was tempted to launch this agitation in order to get instant and wide publicity for my party. Some arrogant journalists and intellectuals have called it a political stunt. Sudheendraji, frankly speaking, I am not interested in publicity, impact, political benefits and votes. Such success is easily got by political compromise. I don't speak to journalists for months together. I organise meetings and study developmental issues. Journalists then ask 'has Raj Thackeray formed a political party or an NGO?' When I concentrate on organisational matters and ignore other immediate things, journalists ask 'is Raj Thackeray building a party or a house?' (which is my means of livelihood). Then, when I respond to my inner voice and hit the street, journalists say 'this is Raj Thackeray's stunt for publicity'. Sudheendraji, I have learnt to digest all this. I only respond to my inner voice. You may call it anything. Sudheendraji, I hope you are satisfied. I have selected Maharashtra as my area of work. Some inherent deficiencies have to be removed to make Maharashtra magnificent and progressive. For constructing a new building, some soil has to be dug for laying the foundation. From this very Maharashtra, a great man had challenged the Mughal empire with the help of 15-50 colleagues. (I don't intend to compare myself with Chhatrapati Shivraya, lest Maharashtra's intellectuals come down on me). The grave of the powerful Mughal emperor -- Aurangzeb -- exists in Daulatabad in Maharashtra, Riding on the storm created by his 15-50 companions, the great man laid the foundation of an empire. That was the Maratha empire.
RE:RE:Raj's Stand, for your all kind information!by Tushar Lad on Mar 05, 2008 10:11 AM I pray to Shivaji to lend me and my colleagues at the Maharashtra Navnirman Sena a fraction of himself। I am ending this informal letter with the hope that you will wish us well. Jai Maharashtra Guys pls feel free to write your comments pro or against…
व्हो ओव्न्स Mumbai
Now All I want to say after reading below article of Mr Thackerey is, it is pitty to those Marathi friends who treat him as a leader॥we as a bihari have been hearing for very long that BIHARI politicians are criminal and have brought the state and its people down (I totally agree to that) but what is this Joker...What is his contruction in developing Mumbai...and why educated(so-called) marathi manoos support him and his antics...Poor TATA, numerous Parsi and Gujrati industrialists and lakhs of Bihari, UPites and South Indians who have given blood to make mumbai the Financial capital of India and the cerdit is taken by sons of soil only....just because it happens to in that perticular geaography..Not Fair...Your thoughts...
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A brief history of Thackeray's rants
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Bal Thackeray (TOI Photo)
Once again, Bal Thackeray has used Shiv Sena mouthpiece, Saamna, to abuse। This time the Biharis. Jyoti Punwani remembers other instances. You need a mouthwash after reading Bal Thackeray’s writings. Look at how Bihari MPs are frothing at the mouth after just one salvo. (Thackeray had said in Saamna that Biharis are a burden to the country). In the past, Muslims, Communists (invariably referred to as ‘red monkeys’), his female political detractors, Marathi editors, and political rivals, have been at the receiving end of his polemics that is affectionately called by gushing reporters, ‘Thackeri bhasha’. Once Thackeray wrote in his editorial, “If anyone were to sneeze against Thackeray (the reference is to himself), what else would these flies do except sit on the snot? When that ram (the animal and not the god) and that bundle of rags meet, the hybrid that is produced is...” The “bundle of rags” was a reference to Professor Pushpa Bhave, “ram” was former deputy chief minister of Maharashtra Chhagan Bhujbal, and “flies”, of course, referred to both. Bhave and Bhujbal were the most visible supporters of Shiela Kini, the Dadar housewife who had implicated Raj Thackeray in the death of her husband, Ramesh Kini, a tenant who refused to vacate his flat in 1996. When a CBI inquiry was ordered into the affair, Thackeray said in a front page interview to Saamna, “The matter has become cold now. It’s like when you pee, bubbles rise up to the surface in the pot; those bubbles have died down now. Whether they pee again or not is a question to be looked at later.” Bhave has also been described by him as “that stale naankatai (biscuit)”. Thackeray usually reserves his most vulgar abuses for women. In one edit, he described Mrinal Gore and Ahilya Rangnekar, Mumbai's oldest Leftist leaders, as women whose menstrual rags had long dried in the sun. Reportedly, his crude imitation of Sonia Gandhi at election rallies in 1999, and his repeated references to her honeymooning with Rajiv Gandhi when the country was being attacked by Pakistan in 1971, put off voters and was seen as one of the factors that prevented his return as the self-proclaimed “remote control” of Maharashtra. Vying with women as targets are of course Muslims, whom he routinely describes as fanatics, traitors, and Pakistani agents who set up mini-Pakistans wherever they go. In their lanes, he has said, streams of poison and treason flow, and that their masjids are storehouses for illegal arms. Sometimes he qualifies that he is not opposed to all Muslims, only the anti-national ones. But when he constantly prefaces, or even replaces, the word ‘Muslim’ with traitor, one can be forgiven for equating the two. Way back in 1989, this reporter was a witness to Thackeray addressing the well-heeled members of the Rotary Club at the Taj Mahal Hotel. Devoting most of his 45-minute speech to “those people” (Muslims), he described them as “green serpents”. Amid titters from the audience, he described Muslim hardliner Syed Shahabuddin a “green rat” and a “bandicoot who should be put into the dustbin.” And also, a “poker” (Shahabuddin had called him a “joker”) because he poked his nose into other people’s affairs. Thackeray has also abused Congress politicians as dogs. He said that they attended iftaar parties wearing fez caps, stood in Mumbai’s Muslim dominated Bhendi Bazaar or in the Parliament wearing green burqas or waving green handkerchiefs, and would even gladly get themselves circumcised to please Muslims. Marathi editors are also Thackeray’s bugbear. He once wrote that one of them would visit his mistress in Mumbai’s red light area every night, get drunk and be taken home in the morning by his relative. The question now is: how seriously should one take these rantings? Given the fact that Saamna’s readership runs into thousands, and that Mumbai’s cops are its diehard readers, what Thackeray writes needs to be taken seriously indeed—by the government. Saamna was at least one major reason for the widespread support Shiv Sainiks enjoyed in the ’92-’93 riots. But if any one agency has chosen to show benevolent apathy towards Saamna , it has been the Congress. When forced to take note, there’s always the elusive “expert legal opinion” that must be consulted. Vijay Tendulkar, Nikhil Wagle, Pushpa Bhave, Mrinal Gore, G R Khairnar, Manimala—the list of intellectuals attacked by Shiv Sainiks is long and illustrious. The government did nothing to protect them, nor to punish their assailant. jyoti.punwani@gmail.com
Bihar needs Bhindrawale Type of Leader
Bihar Needs a leader like Bhindrawale, Jinnah and JKLF folks, it isonly then mother India will take care and listen..Time to start amovement in Bihar to break away from India....Being a poorest stateand treatment of a second class citizen within one own Country hurts!What do you guys think?
Thackerayjee and Raj: Bihari ko kahan kahan se nikalogay?Yes, just look at Naional Flag (Tri-colour), you will find thegreat "ASHOKA CHAKRA", this was taken from the Great King ofPatliputra (now modern Patna)। Secondly, Aryabhatta, the famousmathematician who invented 'zero' and 'pi' is from Patliputra (Patna)and his formulas is currently being used all over India। Mr।Thackeray should take note of it।Thirdly, the other facts which has given a shape to modern India isalso taken from BIHAR: "The famous sandstone sculpted Lion Capital ofAshoka preserved at Sarnath Museum which was originally erectedaround 250 BCE atop an Ashoka Pillar at Sarnath. The angle from whichthis picture has been taken, minus the inverted bell-shaped lotusflower, has been adopted as the National Emblem of India showing theHorse on the left and the Bull on the right of the Ashoka Chakra inthe circular base on which the four Indian lions are standing back toback. On the far side there is an Elephant and a Lion instead. Thewheel "Ashoka Chakra" from its base has been placed onto the centerof the National Flag of India."Dear Bala Saheb Thackerey jee, kindly think twice or thrice when youpublish your article in your mouthpiece "Samna". You are trying nowto divide India again on 'Regionalism' which dangerous for its unity,integrity and stability. An unstable India is most dangerous and maylead to collapse of Union structure of our great country. You shouldwork for the integrity and stability of India, if not contributingfor its development and further prosperity, please do not DE-ESTABILISE the nation.It will be best for the interest of country. As you are aware, theConstitution of India has given every right to its citizen to live,earn his living any where and any part of the country. I wouldwelcome if Central Government apply this rule in Jammu & Kashmir aswell due to its 'Special Status'. Please take care in future beforemaking such unwelcomed statement. You are Indian first थें अ महारास्त्रियन.
Thackerayjee and Raj: Bihari ko kahan kahan se nikalogay?Yes, just look at Naional Flag (Tri-colour), you will find thegreat "ASHOKA CHAKRA", this was taken from the Great King ofPatliputra (now modern Patna)। Secondly, Aryabhatta, the famousmathematician who invented 'zero' and 'pi' is from Patliputra (Patna)and his formulas is currently being used all over India। Mr।Thackeray should take note of it।Thirdly, the other facts which has given a shape to modern India isalso taken from BIHAR: "The famous sandstone sculpted Lion Capital ofAshoka preserved at Sarnath Museum which was originally erectedaround 250 BCE atop an Ashoka Pillar at Sarnath. The angle from whichthis picture has been taken, minus the inverted bell-shaped lotusflower, has been adopted as the National Emblem of India showing theHorse on the left and the Bull on the right of the Ashoka Chakra inthe circular base on which the four Indian lions are standing back toback. On the far side there is an Elephant and a Lion instead. Thewheel "Ashoka Chakra" from its base has been placed onto the centerof the National Flag of India."Dear Bala Saheb Thackerey jee, kindly think twice or thrice when youpublish your article in your mouthpiece "Samna". You are trying nowto divide India again on 'Regionalism' which dangerous for its unity,integrity and stability. An unstable India is most dangerous and maylead to collapse of Union structure of our great country. You shouldwork for the integrity and stability of India, if not contributingfor its development and further prosperity, please do not DE-ESTABILISE the nation.It will be best for the interest of country. As you are aware, theConstitution of India has given every right to its citizen to live,earn his living any where and any part of the country. I wouldwelcome if Central Government apply this rule in Jammu & Kashmir aswell due to its 'Special Status'. Please take care in future beforemaking such unwelcomed statement. You are Indian first थें अ महारास्त्रियन.
To Heck with Thackerey Thugs!
Would someone please tell me who died in India and made the Thackerays the rulers of Maharashtra? As far as I am concerned, people like them or those who support them, can go to hell for all I care! Mumbai or Bihar kisi ke baap ka property nahin hai and someone needs to hammer this concept into their heads with a 200-pound sledgehammer.Secondly, all those Maharashtrians who even slightly agree with the two 'Monsters from Maharashtra' MUST return to Maharashtra no matter where they live now or what they do for a living. That means Marathis in US, UK, Singapore, Kolkata, and yes, even in Patna - you all need to pack your stuff and go back to what you consider your 'bapauti'. No excuses please.I can imagine an American saying - "F" these Maharashtrians, they come from a F...... country like India and steal our F.- jobs. And they even have the audacity to celebrate Diwali and Dussehra in New Jersey. Keep your F- Ganesh Puja in Maharashtra - the hell hole that you call your home! America is for Americans only. No Diwali, no Holi, no Ganesh Chaturthi allowed here. Either celebrate my Christmas or get the F- out of here. Don't pollute my country or my culture, you dirty ragheads."Get the picture you neo-Nazis, er, you the so-called kings of Mumbai? Probably not because, let's face it - you, and other Thackeray lemmings, are too dumb and too ignorant to understand reasoning or logic. You are nothing but a two-bit gunda, no different than the petty gundas on the streets of Bihar, who only understand the language of joota-chappal or lathi-danda. Sanity doesn't run in your blood and reasoning is not your strong forte!For all those who have been blaming Bihar's poor economic condition for Bihari's decision to migrate to large metros. Let me ask you this: why do people from the so-called 'prosperous' cities like Mumbai, Delhi, Bangalore, Ahmedabad go to America, England etc looking for jobs? Is it because they had nothing in Mumbai, Delhi, Bangalore, or Ahmedabad (just like Biharis don't have anything in their state) and are looking for a better life elsewhere OR could it be that the human beings are simply a daring and adventurous animal and their innate desire to constantly progress and relocate goes as far back as the cavemen days? Well, what is it?So screw that logic that Bihar is backward and that's why people of Bihar are migrating to other states. That may be partially true but that's exactly the same reason why the Mumbaikars and Delhi'ites and Bangalorians are rushing to US and UK embassies to get their US, UK visas. Bottom-line is Indians are free and the last time I checked, India was still a free nation, so if one wishes to live in Mumbai or Mokama, that's his or her prerogative. Plain and simple. All other justification is lunacy!Many of you well-intended though misguided Biharis have attributed Bihari bashing to the state's economic backwardness. I couldn't disagree more. Economic backwardness is a totally separate issue and must not be mixed with the migration issue. People have been migrating from ages. One living in Jhanjharpur desires to move to Patna, those living in Patna wish to find jobs in Mumbai or Delhi, and those who are in Mumbai or Delhi are dying to come to the US, UK. No one was complaining before so what happened in India that gave so much power or credence to the two bit Thugs like the Thackerays?If I sound angry, that's because I am. I am tired of Thackeray apologists within our own community who justify their arguments by hiding behind the garb of Bihar's backwardness. And before you condemn me for my acerbic, harsh comments - just answer one question - why do people from Delhi, Mumbai, etc go to USA, UK and other foreign countries?Furthermore, the argument that 'we don't dislike Biharis, we just hate their politicians and their attempt to impose Bihari ways on us' is not going to fly either. You folks migrating to US, UK, Dubai etc first quit celebrating Diwail, Dussehra, Holi, Ganesh Chaturthi in the land of Jesus Christ and Prophet Mohammed and Biharis would stop observing Chhath in Maharashtra.P.S. - I apologize for using some those harsh words but feel they were necessary to make my point
Thursday, February 7, 2008
Migration Issue
by Bihar Badshah on Feb 08, 2008 09:23 AMMigration puts lot of pressure on the Local economy this is 100% correct and hence the resentement and Raj Thackray type of incident's..So what is the solution develop more urban centers so that people move to their own center's not to different states..but my only question is will a Mumbaikar be Ok if tomorrow the north indian population is replaced by people from the villages of maharastra...because the jobs created by the Mumbai economy which these north indians were doing has to be done by some one...and will our dear Mumbaikar's be Ok if North Indian's are swaped by their own Marathi people...If yes then the argument about the problem of pressure on the limited mumbai resource does not hold good...and secondly that's racism and regionalism..which again may not be good for a country..it is vexed issue and the planners should seriously work to fix this disparity before our beloved country becomes a falied state as our neighbour....remember the reason why Bangladesh split from Pakistan even being a muslim country was given a second class citizen treatment by the Pakis...India stand a chance of going through the same..What I am saying is it is not a small problem and it is high time the lopsided planning of 4-5 metros centric should be stopped and develop one metro in most of the big population states (UP, Bihar, MP and Orissa) to stop migration...if state govt is not doing it , declare that city (in those states) as center property and do the necessary changes..high time
Bihari's Vs Raj Thackeray's MNS
The real problem is the development of the state...but on the same token what should be the fate of millions of NRI's (marathi included) residing in US, UK and other countries...even father of the nation was in Africa...If india is so mean that it cannot tolerate people from other states, then we have an option of dividing the country, let poor states like Bihar suffer and go afghanistan or pakistan way...anyway India is a failed democracy..not sure where it is heading with these types of activities...When Bihar was not divided, the entire raw material was used by TATA and other big firms to run the offices and add to the properity of cities like Mumbai and calcutta, now at that time Bihar could not say much because it thought the money is going to india not to mumbai or calcutta..we were dumb at that time..we are paying the price..so dear indian..opps sorry west indian or south indian brothers, pls kill us as we have been badly led down by our politicians and hence we should suffer and die...regs to all..
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